Many of the supposed retcons are addressed in ways that I personally think are really smart.
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SMH guys how does no one know about this piece of lore, it goes all the way back to The Empire Strikes Back.
Remember how Yoda lifted the X-Wing? You notice how he only did it when Luke got out of it? He also says “Size matters not.” The Force can move ships of any size, as long as they don’t have anyone on them!
Remember how Rey tried to stop the ship in The Rise of Skywalker? She thought Chewie was on it, but he wasn’t. This show explains that decoy ships are a common tactic. No one was on that ship, and that’s why she was able to stop it!
I don’t know why people keep asking “why couldn’t Vader stop the second ship?” It’s because there were people on it. It’s so obvious if you have any knowledge of the lore. C’mon, guys!
There. THAT’S how you make a joke comment.
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I do find it ironic that there’s such a battle with continuity and retcons based around the very character who lied about everything “from a certain point of view.”
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Watched the video. There was a good point he made at the end, about why the Empire might not investigate the Organas. I hadn’t thought about that, and it actually does make sense
That was it. That was the only thing he said that was “really smart”.
Well, okay, his point about Kenobi saying “I haven’t gone by Obi-Wan since you were born” is valid. Like I said in my post, Obi-Wan is simplifying things a bit, who cares.
With Leia, he entirely misconstrued the argument. “Of course Leia is speaking formally, she’s speaking as a Senator, and she hasn’t spoken to him in ten years.” That ain’t the issue, mate. The issue is that she speaks as if she’s never met him. His analogy about texting an old friend you haven’t spoken to in years – would you text that friend “hey, my dad told me about you, said you helped him out in Alabama one time…” No, you wouldn’t. He also doesn’t address the fact that Leia doesn’t care when Kenobi dies.
“But she’s excited when she hears Ben Kenobi is here.” Yeah, no duh. The only thing Luke said before that is “I’m Luke Skywalker, I’m here to rescue you.” She doesn’t know Luke. He might as well have said “I’m Jake from State Farm, I’m here to rescue you.” Of course she gets excited when she hears that the guy she called for showed up.
His point about Vader? No one talks like that. Vader is not a “learner” in Kenobi, he’s second in command of the Galactic Empire. And he doesn’t learn anything from this encounter, either. He still goes to face Obi-Wan 1v1 in A New Hope.
Now what this guy could have pointed out is that Vader doesn’t say “when we last met” but “when I left you”. That would actually be a smart point. That is something I didn’t realize until I re-watched that scene just now. This makes that line from Vader valid, though there’s others where he acts like he hasn’t seen Kenobi since the Jedi fell.
(i just rewatched a scene in A New Hope to check what Vader’s exact words were. I have now done more research for an internet post than the people making this show did.)
This is not “really smart”. Smart is figuring out how to fill a hole. The Kenobi series is jamming a square peg into a round hole, hitting it with a hammer a few times, and saying “look, it fits perfect!”
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The final point about why the Empire wouldn’t investigate Organa is interesting, but I don’t think it holds up. The Empire is taking a big risk leaving someone like Organa with wealth and connections to continue to conspire against the Empire and potentially form a rebel movement. Which is exactly what has happened by the time of ANH. It would be incredibly unwise to leave a powerful enemy like that unchecked. Not to mention taking Organa down would make him example for the rest of the senate of the consequences of betrayal. Buying the Empire time to eventually get rid of them all.
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epic roasts ft. Racie
In other news I’m also rewatching Clone Wars. Would recommend if you have the time. It gets really good only after it starts taking itself seriously, around season 3.
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This whole post was incredibly harsh.
Incredibly correct, as well. From a certain point of view.
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I’m going to ignore that little freak out and accept that Kenobi takes place in a separate continuity. If your daily activities revolve around analyzing Star Wars then you need to get a life.
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there’s no reason to be condescending, nor to twist someone’s opinion to be so. Saying “You putting time into formulating and stating your stance about something you’re passionate about means you need to get a life” is not a good look.
It’s not just not a good look, it’s a bad look - like you can’t take it with people disagreeing with you, or something.
I’m not sure how you’d feel if someone told you “If your daily activities revolve around building or talking about LEGOs then you need to get a life.”
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No no, he’s got a point: if you’re watching this series enough to analyze it so much, then you need to get a life and watch some good content, like Legends of Chima.
/s
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I wouldn’t care if someone told me that because they’re probably right. LEGO themselves don’t care about afols since they got rid of b&p and eliminated the tools necessary for scale modeling. Scale modeling with an artificially scarce collectible is just as bad as nitpicking a fantasy story with inconsistent rules.
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If your daily activities revolve around telling people that they need to get a life then you need to get a life.
Irony intended.
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I would feel sad, mostly because of its accuracy
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There is a reason why actors like Alec Guiness and Harrison Ford don’t really think highly of Star Wars. It is a simple story that gets blown way out of proportion.
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All of these are excellent points. The Vader one is the one I most agree with on thinking it over.
I didn’t quite have time to elaborate on my stance the last couple messages, but right now I recognize that, to fit this show with the continuity, it takes an incredible amount of bending over backwards to make it fit. That is an absolute flaw of the show, but I am able to accept these changes because I don’t think anything completely breaks canon, just a bit of creativity to come to terms with.
I think the key place where I differ in opinion is in how hard and fast I treat dialogue in this series. Once again, Obi-Wan himself is Mr. “From a Certain Point of View”. When applied, dialogue from the OT about the PT is generally pretty vague, and this is when George was in charge of both. Lines continued to be ‘fixed’ in the Prequels and Clone Wars as they went along (Obi-Wan calls Yoda his teacher in Empire, but in TPM it’s Qui-Gon. Well, in AOTC we see that Yoda taught the younglings, so he was Obi-Wan’s teacher at one point!) and I don’t think that will change in the future. The characters, in dialogue, are not worried about perfectly relaying their past in set terms, but in whatever sounds the most dramatic/coolest in the moment. The more information we get can either recontextualize it or make it more difficult to understand, it just doesn’t break it for me.
The video’s point about Leia’s formality is one I still tend to agree with. I’ve seen someone point out that at that point, Leia is still sort of using it as a diplomatic cover to formally request aid from an old ally of her father, beginning by calling him General Kenobi. But, she breaks formality at the end with the infamous “Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.” It’s a bit out of place with the rest of the message, and with the new context of the show, it could be seen as Leia appealing to an old friend. A stretch? Maybe, but Leia has always been incredible at masking emotion in the past, so it’s not out of character. And I do think her leaping out of her chair when she says ‘Ben Kenobi?!’ still has merit to it.
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I now am glad that I watched episode five. Finally, the most annoying character in the show gets beaten up by Darth Vader, and we get some idea of how the Empire actually goes about attacking a military base.
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Oh yeah that was great. There’s only so much a character can do before it gets to the point they’re just irredeemable.
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I’d’ve called g1 Chewie the “strongman”, IMO. He and Han worked together on the Falcon, and I don’t recall Chewie Mechanicing anything else.
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