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I’m not terribly invested in Star Wars, but even as a casual fan I do have to disagree.

There are very big differences between the politics in the prequels and the scene of Darth Vader meeting with the generals. For one thing, one is about a three minute scene in a about a 2 hour movie. The prequels tend to have multiple lengthy political scenes in a row that wind up taking up considerably more time in their respective films.

Secondly, the Vader scene has a point to it. It shows us how the Empire is reacting to the Rebel Alliance, it shows their overconfidence in the Death Star, and most importantly it develops Vader as a terrifying presence and demonstrates his superiority to the regular Imperials through action. Nearly all of the dialogue in that scene pertains to the rest of the movie; the Imperials in that scene talk a lot about the Death Star plans and the possibility and/or futility of a Rebel attack on the Death Star, which is the entire climax of the film.

A lot of the political scenes in the prequels, however, do not service the actual film. Do they do some good world-building by referencing outside events and factions? Sure, you can give them that. But aside from when the Jedi council are planning missions or Palpatine is proclaiming himself Emperor, I don’t recall any of those political scenes actually informing the rest of the movie. They rarely set anything up that’s important later in the film, they rarely establish a character’s personality or status a la Vader, and they certainly aren’t short enough or spread out enough that general audiences won’t get bored.

In short, the Vader scene actively forwards the plot and gives the audience new, pertinent information (what is the Empire plotting against our heroes?). The prequel politics usually don’t, and they definitely aren’t paced well enough to keep attention.

But regardless, I find this video pretty informative on the prevalence of politics in Star Wars in general:

The Clone Wars is a different story. The episodes are short enough that even if a few are primarily political, they aren’t taking up much time. It’s also, at least early on, an anthology series. You aren’t obliged to watch any of the politics-central episodes.

And I’d also argue, since they are better written, they’re paced well and do a better job of being relevant to the story than the prequel films.

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Well there’s a limit to relevancy. It’s like pop culture that whatever idea or reference ussually dates a movie much faster then something that focuses on just telling a story set in its world and not trying to be our real world.

That’s not what I meant by being relevant.

I said “relevant to the story,” as in whatever is happening in the scene pertains to the actual events in the movie. The Darth Vader scene has relevancy to the actual plot of the movie because it sets up the climax; the Imperial officers are discussing the Death Star and its supposed invincibility and consider a direct Rebel attack (which is the climax of A New Hope). It also actively displays Vader’s character through his actions.

I do not mean relevant as in “relevant to our times,” and I definitely don’t mean references to our world and times. I just mean that it’s generally good writing practice to ensure every scene has a point, which is true of the Vader scene, but not of most of the prequel scenes involving senates and councils.

Ah ok. Miss understood.

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I went back and rewatched Attack of the Clones recently after fifteen years and enjoyed it more than I thought I would. It felt more creative than the sequel trilogy, even though it still borrows a lot of elements from the OT, it doesn’t flat out plagiarize. The wooden dialog for me translated as a) Anakin is a teenaged monk who has had little social interaction outside of the Jedi order and b) Palpatine has been corrupting Anakin’s mind with the dark side. The whole failed Padme assassination attempt at the beginning was always intended to fail so Palpatine could send Anakin off with her to “protect” her on Naboo. He’s a brilliant evil mastermind in this movie with the whole clone wars orchestration. It’s a shame we never got Kaminoan minifigures or a Geonosis arena set or rereleases of Jango Fett’s Slave I.

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I guess you can blame that on all the fans who claim Attack of the Clones is the worst Star Wars movie. Besides the original 2002 wave and an additional out of nowhere wave in 2013 (in a time where there was no new Star Wars media coming out) Attack of the Clones has barely had any LEGO sets based off it, despite the potential. I am still baffled at how they still haven’t produced a set based of the Geonosis Arena, despite that being a set Star Wars fans have been wanting for years.

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Cosmonaut variety hour had a very entertaining summary about padme’s assasination attempt XD. Time 26.15. PS: I find the prequels to be somewhat good. At least, ideas and themes are. plus the clone wars animation series was amazing!

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i love all the movies and TV shows even if they have their flaws

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Oh that guy. Anything he says can be immediately discarded. :slight_smile:

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Yeah, I always wanted a set like that too. And a Duel On Exegol set.

Perhaps because the Clone Wars series did it a lot better than the prequels did.

Dromund Kaas, you mean. the real hidden sith planet

salty? Me? Absurd/

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Here is something that i want to ask people here, because it’s becoming more of an issue for me as i continue to look and read up on the Star Wars franchise.

what is something from the old Star Wars EU that a lot of people are treating as true or accurate to the old “canon”… that aren’t actually really based on anything in the movies and/or are even outright wrong.

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I’m not sure about specific examples, but I know a lot of people just headcanon all the old Legends stuff that doesn’t conflict with current canon.

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Grey Jedi

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Most of the mandalorian’s history

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Although a lot of Legends stuff is implied in canon content, especially like stuff in the Clone Wars, when Legends wasn’t … Legends …

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Star Wars Resistance is a very good show that I enjoy and relate to

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I haven’t even watched it. Not that I don’t want to, but I just haven’t had the time. Never mind that I had the time to watch The Mandalorian.

@Winger are you scared

Because I know I am.

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why are you scared?