What are you talking about?
The Hagah have wrong-shaped masks:
The only thing that’s a “theory” is that Greg was uninformed when giving this answer.
Also, I figured I’d throw this out here, since I just found it:
The argument is more so that since they never changed their masks, if the Felnas or Shelek would have caused them to do so they likely didn’t have those shapes.
I agree with Arcan here. This isn’t really much different from Artakha being greyish green.
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Artahka being grey and dark green would’ve at least been a better colour scheme than sand green, and easier to build, even if it was wrong. Requiring one of a specific range of 3D printed parts most likely would take more effort on the part of the builder than just grabbing a silver mask out of the parts bin.
That’s fine, but this is just one example of a possibility that could have occurred. We’ve never seen this process, we don’t know what every single teammate on every single team had in mind.
Please, guys. I’ve explained in great detail on prior topics why the Greg quote that supports this is problematic. There is no issue with the Hagah torso quote, that is all well and good. I take issue when others extrapolate something out of the lore to insist that there is only one possible exception to a supposed “rule.”
I’m not even arguing against Greg quotes. I’m not enthusiastic about Nidhiki’s Volitak being green, for example, but there’s no logical case against that. I’d never argue that.
I’m not a moccist nor an artist. I don’t have a horse in this race. But there are clear-cut lore facts that must be taken into account for these contests and there are vague assumptions that have been accumulated over years. I’m not saying these assumptions are automatically wrong–they’re likely in fact. I’m saying that you can’t make a rule to this end.
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The Toa Hagah all came from different lands, different teams. Statistically speaking, it should be impossible that they all have Metru builds, and even if they do, we don’t know what that means. people infer it to mean the torso piece.
Meanwhile, Greg was asked “do all the Hagah have masks in different shapes like Norik?” And replied Yes. It couldn’t be clearer, and statistically makes sense.
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Right, so in lieu of Meso’s Beeg Post something around Post 294, I’m simply going to post the Hagah I have completed here, and see what the verdict is on eligibility. Before posting them, I’d like to make it clear that the renders were made before the thing about metallic feet was cleared up, so all else equal I’d post them as is with only that change. Not going to post Pouks, as based on the height restrictions already detailed, he’d be DQ’d for being a couple stud lengths too tall.
Bomonga
Gaaki
@Mesonak Give it to me straight doc.
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I agree this.
We can infer the meaning of “metru-body”. Translation, we can only do it.
I can guess the Metru-build as the most popular design of “memories of Toa by Matorans”, but this is just my theory.
But there is a CANON Information of “All Hagah-Toa has Metru-build”.
I think this is very important. and my mind began to agree with “Their mask has defferent shape, exception Iruini.”
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If you’re going to use the Lehvahk claw as Bomonga’s chest armor, maybe you should go all the way and make him completely asymmetrical.
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Torso piece makes statistical sense lul. 100% of Toa Hagah to date have it.
The biggest problem with the mask quote (as I outlined before) is that it’s a leading question. This was brought to Greg in 2009, when he was developing the 2010 materials. He’d already answered a question about Norik’s mask saying that he didn’t remember the Hagah storyline. Now, a year later, someone presented him with a question about the Hagah masks and only mentions Norik. Doesn’t mention Iruini. Ironically, this quote can be taken to mean that Iruini himself doesn’t wear a mask that matches its shape. Greg isn’t going to remember the ins and outs of the convoluted mask lore. He’s just going to take the Norik idea and make it universal. Fans can take this and interpret Greg’s answer any number of ways, but without him expressly saying that Iruini is the sole exception, it’s incomplete.
Anyway, this is my last post on the matter. Consider me beaten to death lol
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Unrelated to the legality, but I wouldn’t trust this connection:
Gaaki?
*Gaaki’s, but probably not. If I can post them as is only changing the foot color then that’s what I want to do. Besides, it conflicts with the aesthetic of the Hagah to have one side of one of them be asymmetrical.
It’s a 3L bar shoved through the connector to hold the two thin liftarms, the 1x2 round plate is just there for aesthetic.
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I don’t see the point of this mask debacle, Masks thats the shape of masks from past heroes shouldn’t be a hard concept to grasp. Seriously there is plenty of mask shapes to pick from, or is it so truly horrifying to use a non 3d printed mask in your mocs?
I know I’m being very blunt here and I mean no offense to anyone really but this conversation feels even more pointless than the metru build controversy. In the end that’s my thought I will not be entering any new mask shapes since we have plenty to go around already and I would suggest people to at least try and look at their masks and go “Hmm… maybe I can use this?” since Greg has clearly made up his mind about this and the contest rules likely won’t change
Again I’m sorry for my bluntness and my attitude, I do not mean to offened anyone just feel that this argument is pointless.
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Well, it’s not even about that, it’s about not using any mask other than the MoE for Pouks. That’s what this amounts to.
Makes it even more pointless then
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You and @TheJerminator are right, sorry. I operate with my brightness at 0% to conserve battery, so they both looked black, and I made a guess.
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- 2 clone sets have it.
None of this is relevant.
He said yes. Maybe he wouldn’t have if iruini was mentioned, but he did. Therefore, it’s canon unless he says it isn’t.
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2 clones sets have it=100% of the Hagah to date.
Couple that alongside the fact that every Toa we’ve ever seen described as metru styled toa uses the metru torso.
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Glad to hear this; it’s one of the few silver masks I own. xD
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Not quite.
Ironically, most of this quote is predicated on incorrect information (for instance, there’s no doubt Kualus had the Mask of Rahi Control while fighting the Kanohi Dragon as that happened in 2008). Greg confirmed that the masks had the same power as their old ones earlier here. To be clear, I’m talking about this part of the quote:
If I’m not given the relevant facts, then you are not always going to get an accurate answer from me.
I’m personally on the side of tending towards Pouks entries with differently shaped masks, but I don’t think the Mask of Emulation should be banned. Is it unlikely that Pouks’s mask is the same shape as his power? Yes. Impossible? I’d say no; far stranger things have happened in BIONICLE.
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The more I think about it, allowing Hydraxon’s helmet/face doesn’t make much sense… it does seem fairly clear cut that the sentence in the book was referring to specifically other Kanohi, as pointed out prior…
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