Well, if it feels like a Metru, why not allow it?
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Im not sure the goal is to make you feel that way, rather than make something feel like an Onu-Toa
Thats every Hagah anyways
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Wouldn’t the rest of the makuta masks count?
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I believe what’s he’s getting at is that it makes it more difficult to pull off a Pohatu gracefully than it otherwise would. It’s entirely possibly to do a Pohatu with only the Metru Pelvis, but the shoulders will be noticeably narrow. Allowing for more variable lower torsos would give Purple Onewas a more natural look, something I think most people would appreciate. It’s not as though bonk has shied away from custom shoulders on canister sets in the past; Kiina, Gorast, and arguably Kongu Mahri all come to mind.
I can go either way on the Vahki lower torso.
Spears I think should be restricted primarily by the technic axles. I don’t see any reason to particularily restrict it. It only really serves to limit what pre-existing pieces we can use even further. The two weapons on the far right are a bit extreme, I doubt anyone would make it anywhere with those anyway, yet alone use them, regardless.
For the sake of comparison, here’s a large majority of tools that may be relevant:
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I have no problem with Vahki waists.
Also, thanks for posting that picture. I had been wondering about how big certain weapon pieces are.
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Great diagram, man. If we’re going to use this to help us decide the spear question, could you please put the KKII swords made in Dark Flat Gold and Metallic Blue on there? I think they’re particularly relevant in this contest.
Edit: actually, I’m not sure if stud.io has those blades. It’d be unfortunate if they didn’t.
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They’re not in Stud.io, so sadly I cannot. Let me see is Bricklink notes their sizes.
Edit: While they may not all be the same length, they seem to be around the 14-stud range, like the two CCBS swords.
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Maybe it was brought up already, maybe not, I didn’t scroll through all 100+ comments, but… basically excluding all these masks means purist MOCs are stuck to using one of these G1 options:
- a metallic Mata mask (which do not quite match the colour of any other part)
- one of the two copper masks (which are definitely unmatchable in colour)
- Lhikan’s Hau
- Stars Tahu’s golden Hau
- Kualsi (which would be unpopular because Iruini already wears it)
- Kiril (same, but Norik)
- Volitak
- Hydraxon’s helmet (though a skull-head Hagah…)
(though who seriously uses the organic Sanok as a mask ever.)
- custom head, I guess (?) Though metallic colours are… difficult
(If I forgot an option, please point it out)
Of these I suspect only the Kualsi, Stars Hau and Volitak are readily available to most people. So effectively two Hagah can be built, because using another Kualsi is out of the question.
(Edit: The Rode is probably also fairly available)
As there still is gonna be a final artwork, I would be in favor of allowing any mask shape for MOCs - with of course the clear rule that any masks from the forbidden list will/must be replaced in the final artwork. Because I completely agree that these mask shapes should be forbidden canonically. If there is a MOC contest, and not a pure artwork one, then I disagree with making 3D-prints/painting as good as mandatory to enter all 4 Hagah, though. Especially in this contest where truly everyone stands a chance due to a Metru build being mandatory.
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Gil brings up a good point; would it be ok to use a mask that is not metallic and have it recolored in the art?
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Also the rode and olmak.
Edit: sanok is also metallic.
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Here is sir danjus sword next to a solek sword and I think most KKII swords are around this size but I’m not sure.
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Olmak should be on the forbidden list, but Rode is a good point.
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I disagree, seeing as we know at least one Toa wore it at some point, and was part of a team that saved the universe (Jovan’s team)
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At that point the Ignika would be just as feasible. The Olmak is one of the rarest masks, very powerful, and was as far as we know only ever used by that one Toa, potentially not even as their primary mask, if I recall correctly that the team was given the Olmak only prior to their mission.
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Yeah, thanks Tarkur. It looks to be 3 studs longer than the Vorox tail, so on pair with the max size Wolk’s chart showed
seems more like 2 studs, maybe that’s just me, though.
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A very fair argument. I’m simply saying that it’s possible for a Hagah to have been honouring a hero with an olmak, arguably more likely than the immoral masks, since we know one hero exists.
Regarding the Ignika, though: I think only Jovan and co would know what it actually looked like. I think that they would be more likely to wear sacrifice toa’s original mask.
(New headcanon: sacrifice Toa wore a Kiril. He’s who Norik honors)
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Not really.
By the time the Hagah were formed, the Ignika has been specified to have only been worn once, temporarily, and then returned to its underground chamber.
The second Olmak, on the other hand, has around 20,000 years of unknown history before it ended up with a member of Jovan’s team, and then it is unknown for how long this Toa wore the mask afterwards.
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