The Book of Dreams

[Rukah]

@Sonus

@Rukah I have actually eaten them.

interesting

[Hawkflight]

@Ghid

The beam hit Jethryn and ripped him in half, with the sickening reverberation of steel echoing through the hollow building, as both his body segments spun violently.

what

@Ghid

There was a brilliant flash of light, and his, um… What I assumed was his butt now had a pair of massive feathered wings comprised of white flames.

what

@Ghid

Jethryn’s upper half shot a sidelong glance at me, his lower half simply looking at him with the same I’m-going-to-kill-you-and-rip-out-your-intestines look he gave everything.

what

@NOTaHFfan

Jethryn being six cats

what

@NOTaHFfan

That makes this Jethryn character even more confusing: the lower half is probably a user, the upper half is also a user, but this character as a whole is Hawkflight.

what

clearly I’ve missed a lot in my absence

[Ghid]

AND HE LIVES

man I’m been waiting for you to show back up. The story’s been finished and you’ve got so much to catch up on - but totally sign up for the next one first!

[Cordax]

@Ghid

stood a sinister monster, solid red eyes glowing with pure malice, all eight of his mechanical arms circling him in mesmerizing unison.

So is this Axelford?

[Rukah]

No that’s Vile Cephalopod I think

[Cordax]

@Ghid

@Axelford Appears in Chapter 28

but….

[Rukah]

@Ghid

The entity dropped Diero and examined the small card. “Perhaps you did not hear me. I am he who was flawed, bent beyond repair, but now I am flawless. Untouchable. I have no need for gifts of any-”

This guy is Axelford

[Ghid]

@Cordax

but….

The description of the character you cited perfectly matches the character who appears in chapter five.

[NOTaHFfan]

It’s funny how whenever I want to practice character design, I always seem to come back to the Book of ____ series.

This time, a somewhat book-accurate Ghid. Instead of fully abandoning it, I decided to try to make Ghid’s disastrous character description from the book actually work.

[Ghid]

It’s impossible to tell if the lad here actually has extra eyes, but I like the solution to the description of wire-like fingers by stuffing his hands full of fingers. Also somewhat concerning is how his shoulders and waist are the same diameter when his arms and legs are so spindly, which may have been a conscience choice on your part or perhaps not.

Also his right foot seems to go too far forward to the point where the heel wouldn’t actually connect.

Overall, unique take on the-

@NOTaHFfan

disastrous character description

oh.

It’d be interesting to see one of the hardcore theorists comb through all descriptions of books to decipher his true appearance, since that’ll be changing in the fourth book.

uh I mean what noooooo it’s very consistent

[Rukah]

@Ghid

since that’ll be changing in the fourth book.

Ooh spoilers

[NOTaHFfan]

@Ghid

It’s impossible to tell if the lad here actually has extra eyes

Yeah, they’re there, although really small because of how I structured the face.

@Ghid

Also somewhat concerning is how his shoulders and waist are the same diameter when his arms and legs are so spindly

That’s intentional. By distorting the proportions I wanted to emphasise how decidedly inhuman the character is.
I think that his limbs (at least arms) have been described as incredibly long and spindly, right?

@Ghid

Also his right foot seems to go too far forward to the point where the heel wouldn’t actually connect

Our right or his right? They’re both so terrible that I can’t tell which one is drawn more incorrectly.

[Ghid]

@NOTaHFfan

Yeah, they’re there, although really small because of how I structured the face.

That’s one thing that, while I don’t mean to bring offense to your tremendous artwork thus far, I haven’t been able to understand in terms of a design choice.

Ghid was originally created with the G2 Akaku, despite me having been a Bionicle fan since 2003 and prior self-mocs that utilized the original Akaku design. Ever since his initial conceptualization, however, I’ve gone back and forth from portraying him as having an extremely Akaku-like face and a more organic, noseless, alien-esqe head which has influenced a lot of other Ghid artwork. Still grounded in human anatomy, but always bizarre enough that any alteration could theoretically still be possible.

Then I ran into a significant problem: Ghid has two giant extra eyeballs on the side of his head. Temporarily there was a design for Ghid that simply had them floating on the right side of his head, and they could even act as drones to search about and let Ghid see things from a great distance, but this design was a bit silly and didn’t stay around for very long.

Ever since that point I’ve tried to, in theory, with anatomical concepts that can’t physically exist, somewhat rationalize the anatomical makeup of Ghid’s skull to attempt to comprehend the fusion of extra looky orbs enough so it doesn’t keep me up at night, but - and circling back now, I promise - your design choice for this iteration and the mads mikkelsen Ghid is to just draw a normal skull, overlay it with Ghid-ish features, and then tack two extra eyes on over the cheekbone and orbital socket of the right eye. It’s not a bad design by any means, but I’ve never understood it.

@NOTaHFfan

I think that his limbs (at least arms) have been described as incredibly long and spindly, right?

Ja. I was just uncertain if it was intentional or not.

@NOTaHFfan

Our right or his right?

His. The left one is posed correct and good, but the right one is too far forwards in terms of how it lines up with the bone of the leg.

yknow for someone who can’t draw good anatomy at all I sure do seem overly knowledgeable on the subject; is this making me look hypocritical?

[Hawkflight]

so I’m going to skim through this topic for anything else related to me because my attention span is limited

@Ghid

He looked like a large pile of trash bags; probably extremely cool in his own mind, but here he was just disappointing to look at.

I love this phrase

@NOTaHFfan

only now I realised that this must be Hawkflight, whose self-MOC is extraordinarily edgy and wears a black cape with a hood and breathing filter of sorts!

if you think he’s edgy know, you should have seen him in 2014

I haven’t expanded on his G1 story in years because I’m not sure how to fix the mistakes I made then

(also I will take “breathing filter of sorts”, but if you wanted to know, he took a fire punch to the jaw that dislocated something and now he can’t wear Kanohi anymore. The conduit mask mitigates the fatigue that Toa feel without a Kanohi.)

@NOTaHFfan

Well-built (in terms of figure)? Check.

you got the Hawkflight seal of approval on that MOC just by virtue of making a black and silver self-MOC remotely cool

@Ghid

The figure said, seemingly forcing his legs to approach as he spoke- which reminds me, I forgot to mention before that I found and still find it very odd that this bizarre character would take so many short steps instead of walking full stride. Really unbecoming for a total edgelord.

this is actually quite in character and I might start using it and figure out why

@Ghid

the pile of trash bags with a person hiding underneath.

I continue to stress how much I love this description

@NOTaHFfan

Cats can’t take wide steps, right?

you’re going to have to explain that one

@NOTaHFfan

I mean, short people can’t take wide steps, right?

he’s always been an Inika build or taller

@NOTaHFfan

a bare metru head with a slizer foot attached to it.

which, by definition, does not make it a bare metru head, and that’s not withstanding the hood

@NOTaHFfan

when six Turaga combine, it’s a Turaga Nui
if the next Jethryn is revealed to be a Cat Nui it’s all your fault

@Ghid

Good Guy, six cats, two sticks, AND Cordax!

I don’t know if I can take any more all of these backstories sound more interesting than the one I wrote for the character in high school

@Ghid

Jethro

@Ghid

Jedediah

this narrator must have been Amish in a past life

@Ghid

For crying out loud, what was his name?

I actually go by my middle name (“Steven”), by virtue of people (mostly older folks) consistently forgetting my first name and coming out with sounds-likes. This is gold.

@Ghid

It really should have been Jethro

well, it was Jetera in my G2 story

@NOTaHFfan

TottallyNotACat would comment on his stupid height and stupid HF helmet

have you ever read my critiques? Those are very far down the list also he doesn’t know what Hero Factory is because I haven’t worked my version of RaptorTalon into the story

@Ghid

“YOU SHOULD JOIN US MORE OFTEN!” Jethryn shouted over the wind. “THE AMOUNT OF TIMES THAT THE BOSS JUMPS OFF OF TALL THINGS IS INCREDIBLE. HE’S REALLY A FAN OF HIGH FALLS!”

this doesn’t fit Jethryn’s character but maybe it should

@Ghid

What I assumed was his butt now had a pair of massive feathered wings comprised of white flames.

stop inspiring me

@Ghid

Bruh

@Hawkflight

If you don’t know

to be fair, he didn’t know

@NOTaHFfan

That makes this Jethryn character even more confusing: the lower half is probably a user, the upper half is also a user, but this character as a whole is Hawkflight.

fun fact - there was a version of Jethryn that never progressed past the legs

I posted a teaser picture of him (from the pre-TTV days), but I did attach a top half… of another MOC who used a custom mask built around a Metru head

@Ghid

Jethryn groaned out a long sigh and- huh, he had apparently been set on the counter next to the nuclear bomb. I guess his lower half got tired of holding him.

I guess when they separated, his legs were jealous of his torso for not getting as many comments over the years about how bad they were.

@Ghid

The large monster had ripped Jethryn nearly in half.

I thought he was already in half

@Ghid

Knowing now that this action would seal Jethryn’s fate, I find myself incapable of sleep at night; how can I rest, how can my mind be at ease, knowing that action here might have prevented that from occurring? How will I ever find the means to stop this grief, this silent sickle ripping deep gashes in my heart, pulling my voice from my throat, shuddered sobs and choking gasps forced to fill the void?

and thus this character inherited Jethryn’s edgy backstory

why did I have to write this character when I was sixteen

@Cordax

also I’m pretty sure that the bottom half and the top half together are Hawkflight/Jethryn

could be one’s Jethryn and one’s Jetera. Could be one’s the Jethryn V4 that I posted and one’s the Jethryn V4 that never progressed past the legs. Could be one’s the secret identity I thought Jethryn might have at one point.

@Ghid

The lower half of Jethryn, noticing his master’s plight

there’s something about this sentence I don’t like

@Ghid

followed by Jethryn’s lower half, which conveniently revived itself just before

there’s something about this sentence I also don’t like

@Ghid

In the limited light I saw the reddish soup nestled in the bowl which was formally Jethryn’s body, his ribcage serving as the perfect structure for such a meal. It was lovingly garnished with some of the mold from the wall, and topped with pieces of shattered bone, which were still being dropped in by the chef responsible for such a meal.

but there’s nothing about this sentence I don’t like.

@NOTaHFfan

Well, that’s the beauty of words. If I tried to, let’s say, draw that scene, I would probably have a lot of trouble on this site.

do you have Discord?

@Ghid

Jethryn’s lower half crushing me

at least the most modern version of Jethryn isn’t as bulky as he was in 2014

anyway

wild ride

on the lack of any other good characterization for Jethryn out there aside from a few D&D oneshots where I’ve adapted the character and also considering Jetera a separate character this is the best and I might actually want to make a new version of him now

also you can use Jetera in the next one if you want Jethryn to stay dead

[Ghid]

@Hawkflight

if you wanted to know, he took a fire punch to the jaw that dislocated something and now he can’t wear Kanohi anymore. The conduit mask mitigates the fatigue that Toa feel without a Kanohi.

I used to be a trashbag figure like you

@Hawkflight

this is actually quite in character and I might start using it and figure out why

The why is because there was a little man underneath you

You really need to reread things man Jethryn’s character design is vaguely interesting in this

@Hawkflight

have you ever read my critiques?

that was referring to Tott, the main character of the book. There were theories going around that he was actually a cat as he was one of two people not initially identified as boards members (the other one being Fifty).

@Hawkflight

this doesn’t fit Jethryn’s character but maybe it should

look man how else was I supposed to very blatantly point out the silver figure’s identity when I don’t know how to write properly ugh smh

@Hawkflight

stop inspiring me

I can see you’ve been touched by the butt wings

ooc that, you cretins, I dare you

@Hawkflight

I thought he was already in half

uhhhhh fourth

@Hawkflight

why did I have to write this character when I was sixteen

so he could get ripped in half twice and converted into soup in current year

@Hawkflight

could be one’s Jethryn and one’s Jetera.

Man you really need to reread things

I’m glad you’re picking up on all my sources of inspiration but you really gotta dedicate more time to tormenting yourself with my literary scares

@Hawkflight

do you have Discord?

he never responded to my friend request

@Hawkflight

also you can use Jetera in the next one if you want Jethryn to stay dead

ohohhhoohohhohohohhooahahaahahaaahaah we’ll see

I might, but I doubt his friends will

[Rukah]

@Ghid

ooc that , you cretins, I dare you

don’t tempt me

Also I’m a knife in this book

[NOTaHFfan]

@Ghid

but I’ve never understood it.

I made this design choice because I’m not very comfortable with drawing decidedly inhuman faces.

@Ghid

draw a normal skull, overlay it with Ghid-ish features, and then tack two extra eyes on over the cheekbone and orbital socket of the right eye

This is… exactly what my thought process was when I was drawing Mads Ghidkelsen and Anime Ghid.

I was quite dissatisfied with both designs, so I decided to fix the eye problem in this new one.
I considered a few options:

1. To add the extra eyes to the side of the head like you usually do
2. To stuff all three eyes in one eyesocket
3. To turn the right side of Ghid’s face into a horrendous lovecraftian mess with no reliance on anatomy

Option one was too silly for the vibe I was going for and options two and three were legitimately too creepy and disturbing, so I went with a kinda boring, but actually appropriate design.

Although the three eyes in one eyesocket idea is slowly growing on me. Maybe I’ll try to make it work when I start drawing the other book covers (covers for books two, three and maybe four confirmed!)

@Hawkflight

he took a fire punch to the jaw that dislocated something and now he can’t wear Kanohi anymore. The conduit mask mitigates the fatigue that Toa feel without a Kanohi

That’s rough buddy!

I thought that my SelfMOC whose special ability literally tears him apart from the inside every time he tries to use it was edgy… clearly, I knew nothing about real edginess

@Hawkflight

you’re going to have to explain that one

You don’t wanna know…

@Hawkflight

if the next Jethryn is revealed to be a Cat Nui it’s all your fault

You mean “it’s all your achievement”?

@Hawkflight

fun fact - there was a version of Jethryn that never progressed past the legs

I posted a teaser picture of him (from the pre-TTV days), but I did attach a top half… of another MOC who used a custom mask built around a Metru head

Heeeeey that’s such a fun coincidence!

Ghid tell him it was intentional

@Hawkflight

do you have Discord?

Unfortunately for everyone including myself, yes.

@Ghid

he never responded to my friend request

It’s because you tried to convince me to support your spicy FNAF fanfics

[Ghid]

@NOTaHFfan

I’m not very comfortable with drawing decidedly inhuman faces.

uh

Well consider Ghid a challenge. Try to imagine how an alien skull comprised of mostly large teeth and separated orbital bones for the side eyes would function given our human understanding of anatomy. Extra muscle mass on the side of the head, different formation of the temple to allow the cavity to rest properly, and much like real Ghid, he would need to have small brain.

@NOTaHFfan

This is… exactly what my thought process was when I was drawing Mads Ghidkelsen and Anime Ghid.

well uh

called it?

@NOTaHFfan

This is… exactly what my thought process was when I was drawing Mads Ghidkelsen and Anime Ghid.

I was quite dissatisfied with both designs, so I decided to fix the eye problem in this new one.
I considered a few options:

1. To add the extra eyes to the side of the head like you usually do
2. To stuff all three eyes in one eyesocket
3. To turn the right side of Ghid’s face into a horrendous lovecraftian mess with no reliance on anatomy

Option one was too silly for the vibe I was going for and options two and three were legitimately too creepy and disturbing, so I went with a kinda boring, but actually appropriate design.

Maybe this will come off as rude, but I really can’t see the difference. I’m working on something of a Ghid sketch to reflect my idea of how he appears; maybe if I actually finish that it might help.

Although I can’t draw hands so I kinda screwed the sketch up; maybe I should remake it digitally and send it that way

@NOTaHFfan

Although the three eyes in one eyesocket idea is slowly growing on me. Maybe I’ll try to make it work when I start drawing the other book covers

Oh gosh please no

There have been many Ghid head sculpt concepts over the years but I doubt that will be one that functions properly by the nature of stuffing three eyeballs into one socket (and also I don’t know how you could do that and not have it automatically combine with option 3)

although you give me some ideas… stay tuned.

@NOTaHFfan

I thought that my SelfMOC whose special ability literally tears him apart from the inside every time he tries to use it was edgy… clearly, I knew nothing about real edginess

I think what you meant to say was “crawl into ghid”

@NOTaHFfan

Ghid tell him it was intentional

cough HACK Yes you see um despite my confes- I mean alleged statement earlier about possessing small brain I actually do have the greatest brain capacity of anything living or dead is purely coincidental care or dentalcare is the maintenance of healthy teeth and may refer to:

• Oral hygiene, the practice of keeping the mouth and teeth clean in order to prevent dental disorders
• Dentistry, the professional care of teeth, including professional oral hygiene and dental surgery
• Oral Surgery, any of a number of medical procedures that involve artificially modifying dentition; in other words, surgery of the teeth and jaw bones
• “Dental Care”, a 2009 song by Owl City on the album Ocean Eyes

[Willess12]

@Ghid

There were theories going around that he was actually a cat as he was one of two people not initially identified as boards members (the other one being Fifty).

Yeah, I came up with the “Tott is a cat” theory on the spot due to the mention of cat latches and a whole bunch of other stuff lining up with it. It was silly, but then it caught on and spiraled out of control.

@Willess12

Also TotT is the acronym

Mata Nui I just noticed this, I was so close to the Truth

also I’m gonna try and critique book four like I did the first chapters of book three I Tottaly intended to review the rest of the chapters but then life happened and I blinked and you had like twenty chapters.

[Ghid]

@Willess12

then life happened and I blinked and you had like twenty chapters.

that is no excuse

get out there and dunk on it before I uh

do something

that you don’t like