If it was I didn’t see many of them. Must’ve missed that rule.
Edit: as I look back at some entries from the past artakha contest, they still put them at a 3/4 angle and said that was the front photo. I’m talking about a real straight forward from the front, no 3/4 angle photo where we see the actual profile of a moc
It’s no wonder why people would point out that an entry into a canon contest blatantly goes against canon, even if the entrant wasn’t aware of it.
That’s the problem with these canon contests. As soon as a character is given a canon representation, any conflicting headcanon people may have about that character becomes void, but in this particular case, you are advocating for a MOC that utilizes a popular headcanon to overwrite previous canon, which is why I find your statement so hypocritical.
I can only assume you’re referring to me since you won’t directly speak to me, which is in all honesty pretty belittling. If anything I said about your view was misunderstood or the quotes of yours I used were taken out of context, please correct me. I don’t want anything I said to be inaccurate.
Let me ask you directly, then. Given that you prefer Pouks to have a standard Mask of Emulation, would you vote for entries that do so in this canon contest, despite canon saying otherwise? If not, there is no issue, but I read your intentions differently.
Hear me out, what if “Metru Build Compliance” is based on a score system, and each moc has to meet a certain number of the requirements, but not all of them, with the general aesthetic being mandatory?
For example, the checkboxes could be:
Torso Piece
Torso Proportions
Feet
Upper arms and legs
Thigh armor
Exact Shield Piece
Color layering
Height
And only say 5/8 or so of those would be required! This would allow a little leeway and creative freedom, while also ensuring all mocs bear some commonalities to their inspiration.
I’ll refer you to this definition as it would clearly defunc nenon as a metru build but it will still allow for freedom from creators
an example I wiped up just a few minutes ago.
I see no reason to not have a MOC contest then an art portion.
Also, in my opinion, a MOC should be free to use whatever torso and limb builds the builder wants – if it strays too far from looking like a Toa Metru in design, voters can reject it. But I think having the option for custom builds emulating the Metru torso or variations, for example, is important.
I totally understand why you all behind the scenes wouldn’t want to allow something out there like this in.
If I was allowed a say though, I’d argue that Hoseryx was an outlier. Aside from Hoseryx, pretty much all of questionable Helryx mocs were ousted almost immediately. The one with the nuva boobs, the one with the tiny Gali master head (I’m definitely forgeting some, but still).
Same with Artahka. We even had some similarly out there Artahka mocs in his contest, like that one that was a skeletal black demon looking dude with Edward Scissor Hand’s … scissor hands.
That MoC didn’t make it to the finals. People could’ve rallied behind it, but they didn’t. It was just an unusual take on the character that had a very small shot at being canonized.
However, I totally understand not wanting to include that MoC you posted earlier. I understand wanting to head off a potential Hoseryx tier disaster before it starts, it had to have been a huge stress to deal with that.
In the end, we’ll all accept whatever you guys decide are worthwhile candidates, whatever definition that is. You host the contest and therefore have a lot of say in who is allowed in. I just don’t think that kind of a moc would be a massive problem, though I have been wrong before, and it’s not really my place to make the decision anyways. I’ll respect whatever you guys choose, man.
Yeah I’m looking back at more of these entries in past contests. They have 3/4 angle photos of their Mocs and saying that’s the front picture. Same with the back and even the side with some of them. While that’s fine, i do want a straightforward 90 degree front picture, side picture, and back picture. So just a minor refinement with that rule would be nice
So long as a MoC isn’t an obvious joke, I don’t think it’d be a Hoseryx tier problem, though I could be wrong. Remember this Artahka MoC?
It’s pretty out there, but it didn’t get memed to the winning position. You think it would’ve, since an accurate name you could give it would be “Hosetakha”. But it didn’t get memed, because it wasn’t a meme. I’m no sooth sayer, but that’s just my instinct.
@Sabretooth Someone tried to create a similar system in the old discussion topic. I didn’t go so well.
@Dag If the Mocs will be getting canonized, then any entry that uses a regular mask of emulation will almost certainly get disqualified.
If there is artwork based off the Mocs, then I’d vote for whichever moc as the best limbs, armor, etc…, because the mask would be changed in the artwork portion anyway.
The issue of Pouks wearing a mask that’s not shaped like a standard Mask of Emulation isn’t as clear-cut as you’re making it seem. This post does a great job explaining why:
The thing is, a lot of voters just come here to vote. They aren’t involved in these discussions, and don’t know about the minutiae. If you allow a canon-contradicting MOC into the voting, a lot of the voters don’t know or care enough to not vote for it just because it doesn’t comply with a Greg Quote.
Overall, I agree with the sentiment of “let the voters decide”, but that won’t always fix canonictiy issues.
(Also, three-armed Artakha was unironically awesome. One of my top two, along with the winning one.)
Actually, ditto. It’d be useful to see those angles. It’d at least help prevent a Hordika situation where they look hollow from the side.
Edit: scrolled down a few posts and apparently it is in the rules. Neat.
What was the greg quote again?
Saying an entry MUST HAVE these specific pieces is a rule that does nothing. I guarantee someone can use those pieces you mentioned and still make something like Nenon.
It doesn’t matter what pieces you restrict and say must be in a moc because you can just build around it and cover it all up to the point where you don’t even see the original piece anymore.
Piece restriction doesn’t prevent non metru moc builds. Just say you want a proportionally metru moc instead of trying to restrict pieces
Nothing Greg says can overwrite the books, specifically that the Hagah do have masks shaped after those of past heroes. That alone does open the possibility more Iruini situations, but still unlikely. Then we have Greg’s previous answers:
2)Do the rest of the Hagah have a mask of a different shape, like Norik
2a.Is it possible?
2) Yes
1)I asked you if the rest of the Hagah had masks shaped differently than they should be (Norik : Pehkui=/=Kiril, but it was carved that way) and in a #b, i asked you if it was at least possible, and you said yes, did you mean yes, it is possible or yes, they do?
1)Yes, they do
It can’t be anymore clear-cut than this. I’m pretty disappointed that Gonel made that post, considering Greg has been understandably frustrated in the past when being asked the same question twice. If there was actual conflict between sources, I understand that, but that’s not the case here.
… or just do both
Just say it has to have the metru torso and reasonably resemble the other hagah.
There’s two that have been important in these discussions.
One says that all of the Hagah have a Metru Build:
The other says their masks are not in the correct shape of their powers:
(NOTE: Notice how the first quote doesn’t say “Metru build”, it says “Metru-styled”
Is there a difference?)
Read it again I specifically implemented build restrictions as well in that definition. What axels or pins you use to connect everything together or what you add on to those axels or pins shouldn’t matter as long as the main construction with the gear function and waist is intact
And then we’re back to square one of what the hell is considered acceptable and how much leeway do we have to customize the build. Not everyone has the same idea of what resembles a toa hagah. If we did, we wouldn’t have this many people arguing about the rules
We would have that problem with your solution of just mandating proportionality. Restricting to a metru torso actually helps fix that.
And regardless, if that’s the case we can just discuss a ruleset there, instead of whether or not a metru build should use what makes a metru build a metru build 
unless people are arguing for the sake of arguing
